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Fantastic, that's my kind of humor  I may have to put that on our Facebook page and see if causes any comments...

See, superstitious! Rebecca has no idea

A computer died on me for absolutely no reason, we seem to have developed an outlook bug on everything and I burnt tea when I got home.

Telling ya, Friday 13th........ 

Everything was going fine today, busy but steady.

Then someone happened to mention it was Friday the 13th 

Now I'm terrified to answer the phone  Anyone else feeling superstitious or is it just a good excuse to be lazy 

Grey and Green, so does that mean something subliminally? 

I like peas and over cast weather? 

Welcome to the forums Zoe and and sounds like business is going really well 

Hmmm, I think I'm closer to London than you are 

It's a fascinating question which sparks controversy and emotion on all sides, but even more so to us Brits who are fairly well insulated from firearms. But we are the unusual and not the norm.

Across Europe, both East and West, National Military service until very recently was standard. Meaning a high proportion of the population have been exposed to weapons, and due to the collapse of the Soviet Bloc, a lot of weapons have ended up on the black market and in civilian hands.

Our National Service ended back in 1960, then factoring in a continually shrinking Military, the percentage of the population who have been trained and carried firearms is relatively low, plus we have a big moat making it harder for weapons to come into the country.

The Americans on the other hand were born with a rifle in hand and it is written into their constitution the right to bear arms and defend the homestead, mad as that sounds to us.

Look at the National Rifle Associations logo tag line:

Their logic is a weapon is only dangerous in the wrong or untrained hands which is true. But then they argue that more citizens with weapons is a good thing as that's more good people with weapons versus the bad people.

This is where we struggle to comprehend their logic, with more weapons making the place safer 

Unfortunately (and this may be un PC for a leftie) but with the dramatic rise of immigration over the last 10 years, there are now a lot more people in the UK who are more familiar with guns or don't have our native born distrust or dislike of guns. So the only way to counter this is to have more professionally firearm trained Police.

But I would rather have this, with really tight any gun control laws, and have confidence that are Police are trained to the highest standard and will only draw and discharge a weapon as a last resort. Something completely alien in American Policing and culture.

The NRA are a huge and powerful lobby group with deep pockets. They tap in to the American psyche and fund politicians which is why Obama got no where. Regardless how horrific the atrocity, I doubt anything will change

What does anyone else think?

Hi there, interesting line of business.

For our office I tend to take care of IT disposal. Old printers and any kit that can't be reused either goes in one of the big bins we have on site, or goes down the local tip for recycling. For any hardware that can be reused or still has a value, then it goes on ebay.

I tend to remove and physically destroy hard drives, rather than let them go for resale or worse 

Main thing I expect if someone offered to take it away is to pay minimal to nothing, but then we are only a small office. I did an IT contract for a clothing manufacturer many moons ago and all kit had to be destroyed regardless of condition. The agreement was the recycler destroyed all the kit but we first had to remove and take a hammer to any hard drives. I've no doubt the kit got sold on and the recycler made a fortune 

Awful news about Monarch, such a shame

One of mates was stranded in Spain but has made it back ok. Must be a nightmare because I don't know about anyone else, when it's time to come home, I just want to get home. Particularly if you have young kids!

Had a few interesting chats, Google were doing some workshops which a lot of people seemed to find useful.

Overall though I thought the footfall was very low and there seemed to be more stands than people mooching 

That said, did bump into some mutual muckers - a certain Trena and Mark!