Spelling out why grammar matters

By Rebecca (PayforPrecision) : Forum Moderator
Published 10th June 2015 | Last comment 15th August 2016
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No need to be curious, it was not me who joined a forum and started arguing

That doesn't answer my question of course. You evaded it. You sure you don't have a PPE from Oxford?  ;)   

It's not the plumbers, bakers or the gardeners.... But always the lawyers, teachers, clergy and medical profession

Okay, I get it. Professionals are either convicted criminals or yet to be convicted criminals. Keep taking them chill pills, yo, they is working. You've made the transition - undisguised anger to simmering hatred.

education goes far wider than what you can learn in a classroom
No kidding, Einstein! I grew up in a fishing village in India. I left school at sixteen to start my own business. I graduated privately (night study) from a little known university in a small backwater of a third world country where most people don't speak English. Yet I know how many full stops to use at the end of a sentence. You want to teach me that there's education outside of a classroom? If you got irony you'd be killing yourself right now.

BTW, a tip for you: try WD-40, it may cure your sticky key. Spray WD-40 liberally on your keyboard. Turn keyboard upside down. Shake violently. Buy new computer.  

What outwardly may be seen as deliberate ignorance or taking a stand against the culturally superior, is just a by product of the old barriers breaking down.

Steve, I don't buy that. ITGeek007's last post says that some people "CAN think of themselves as far superior ". Er, they are superior. Nobody has trouble with people being better than they are in many fields of life. But when it comes to anything academic or intellectual they go crazy and spew bile all over the place because they associate intellectual achievement with social class.

This is especially so with communication skills - the ability to express oneself clearly and without ambiguity, the ability to construct a logical argument, the ability to put a coherent sentence together. It never fails to bring out the reverse snobbery. It's balmy! Or Barney. Or however you want to spell it.  

I get that some feel strongly against claims of superiority arising from birth, the notion that someone is more worthy simply because they were born in a particular family. But they don't do their case any favours by rejecting education, self-improvement and proper use of language. In their rejection they're reinforcing ignorance and perpetuating privilege.

They're their own worst enemies.   In the meanwhile the "fool" who got (or gave himself) a good education is getting paid more ...and laid more. He's stupid, stupid, stupid. Stupid like a fox.

But the REAL education is when you get out into the big wide world and start experiencing life etc

ITGeek007, the real world has the potential to provide a great education. But not everyone drinks from the fountain. Some folk are keen to improve. Others take delight in staying ignorant; they wouldn't recognise a life lesson if it bit them in the ass. They assume that simply by virtue of not going to college they know more about life than those who did. That they are somehow more honourable, more worthy. They, in all their "virtuous" ignorance, are the ultimate snobs.

Am in a hurry so E&OE and all that jazz.


Clinton

Clinton:

"ITGeek007's last post says that some people "CAN think of themselves as far superior ". Er, they are superior. Nobody has trouble with people being better than they are in many fields of life."

I think you might of forgotten to make the bolded word italic in your sentence Clinton?  I misread what you meant by it, and then realised.

Also, I think you completely and utterly missed the point of what I was saying there, but never mind.

Your last paragraph about the real world, I already knew all that, but thank you for the education Einstein!

On a final note, I'm kind of thinking:

Crikey! You were in a hurry, but had time to write that lot!!!

Have a nice day!

 

 


Thanks,
ITGeek007

Now thinking the thread belongs in the rant section
Seems to descended into over analysis and confrontational willy waving.

No kidding, Einstein! I grew up in a fishing village in India. I left school at sixteen to start my own business. I graduated privately (night study) from a little known university in a small backwater of a third world country where most people don't speak English. Yet I know how many full stops to use at the end of a sentence. You want to teach me that there's education outside of a classroom? If you got irony you'd be killing yourself right now.

BTW, a tip for you: try WD-40, it may cure your sticky key. Spray WD-40 liberally on your keyboard. Turn keyboard upside down. Shake violently. Buy new computer.”
 
I was nearly with you Clinton until this paragraph. It comes over as a huge chip, background insecurities about your roots with an overly aggressive sarcastic defence mechanism.
 
You've done well, good stuff, hurrah. You had a poor start and became self made, but it is starting to go a bit Monty Python. "You lived in a boot? I lived in a shoe box..."
 
 
Having travelled India, the differences between the bottom of the pile and the emerging middle and upper classes are obvious and obscene. It's the UK 150 years ago, so it must be odd and confusing to meet a UK population who are more blase, but we have evolved again, as will India, and no doubt quicker. 
 
I found it fascinating watching the school children leaving the slums of Delhi and Mumbai, and the poorer agricultural regions. But they were always well turned out, wearing school uniform, with everything the parents had went on an education as it was a ticket out of poverty and social exclusion. It was sobering and made me realise what we now take for granted across the UK, and how far we have come.
 
Although the media will tell you otherwise, we have little genuine poverty in the UK (ie can't provide any food or shelter versus feeding the family pets or paying for a SKY subscription or second car).
 
Anyone can go to University (assuming you are academically minded), and success these days is awarded on ability (at least for the most part) rather than the fading requirements of gentlemens clubs connections, daddys money or posh accents. That's the UK I'm proud to live in. Far from the dumbed down reality TV stereotype Britain you see.
 
But unlike Americans who will shout "USA" at any opportunity and adorn a stars and stripes in the front garden, us Brits are far more self depreciating, dark humoured and very quick to put each other down. Maybe it's our tribal blood, maybe it's our legendary odd sense of humour which few nations seem to understand but has bonded Brits abroad for centuries.
 
Who knows, and who cares!
 
Posh accent, regional accent, university, polytechnic, YTS scheme, Tescos or ex squaddie. Life's what you make it. Success (believe it or not) isn't measured in pound coins, because you can't take it with you. It's measured in family, fun, work life balance and enjoying what you do.
 
I'm unlikely to ever become the CEO of a PLC, and a CEO of a PLC is unlikely to have the amount of flexible time I have to watch my nippers grow up and leave a relatively stress free life.
 
Horse for courses, this is a small business forum. Running a business is a challenge all of us will understand. Plenty will fail, but those of us who succeed have different aims. Some may harbour ambitions of running business empires, others to have a better work life balance.
 
Chips taste better at the chippy than off the shoulder, and sarcasm and irony is an Olympic sport in these little isles of ours. 
 
Now instead of deliberately goading on a thread past its sell by date, why not start a new one or contribute to a business discussion which we could all benefit from.
 
There are plenty of people taking their first faltering steps in to the world of business who would appreciate some genuine words of encouragement, personal experience wisdom or relevant anecdote from a successful businessman.

Steve Richardson
Gaffer of My Local Services
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Life's what you make it. Success (believe it or not) isn't measured in pound coins, because you can't take it with you. It's measured in family, fun, work life balance and enjoying what you do.

Everyone has their own idea of what they consider 'success' to be.

Was it Alan Duncan in the HoC who made a wise crack about being a low achiever if you're not a millionaire? (the word w****r springs to mind).

 

Chips taste better at the chippy than off the shoulder,

I think I disagree with you on this one Steve?  I like my chips crispy and with a bit of flavour.  I'm afraid that very few chippies meet my expectations.  But each to their own, I guess!


Thanks,
ITGeek007