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I totally agree, but in times of austerity it seems like private firms will now benefit from the "hard labour" of the convicted. In other words G4S and others their ilk will make huge profits from running the prison, the courts, the custody sweets and community pay back teams. They will then make  "a killing" by making the prisoners/offenders earn their keep while society gets nothing but the bill. 

who says crime does not pay? 

At current prices it would cost 1.5 million pounds to keep a prisoner for 30 years. With inflation that rises to about 2.6. Million. 

The cost of a bullet, less than £1. 

Does that make it easier to decide? Real Justice should not be decided on cost. If you were accused of a crime I am sure you would want your day in court, no matter what the cost. Trouble is the courts are jammed full of time wasters, people who are guilty and who should be put through fast track courts systems, go directly to jail, do not pass go and do not collect £200. 

Would that work? No, but it would keep the media happy.

Never thought of that, ecigs have become more popular and they can be just as irritating as regular cigs for others standing nearby. My friend continues to smoke a wild berry flavour, the smell makes me want to throw up. If he lit that on a train I suspect the ecig and him would ejected at high speed.?

What does everyone else think? Should you be allowed to puff on ecigs in public places? 

I don't like it, but I am a miserable old sod.

My wife saying "I will never drink again" "I feel so ill" 

I was at work while while she celebrated her friends return from Australia....drinking at 13:00 to 19:30 at her age, what a train crash...

I can't wait until tomorrow....

Well it's another way of creating jobs, guess it won't take long before the con men start telling old ladies they have to scrap their old expensive Dyson cleaners and buy an even more expensive super dooper Eco friendly, save the whale and plant a tree "Dyson special 1599 watt hover" made in China by friends of the dalilama....

oh if it helps I had a crap day at work...!

E, when I were a lad...

i hated school, my older brother was the academic one and I had to follow his path through the education system. He was articulate, polite, cooperative, clean and tidy. I was often told "you cannot be related to Colin Priestley" because I was completely the opposite. Fighting and buring things in the woods was a regular feature of my weekend life, getting in with the wrong crowd aged 12 almost set my life on the wrong road. An appearance in juvenile court, a serious talking to by my dad (with his belt) did the trick. 

My brother followed a career in architecture, I took up rugby league, playing proffessionaly for approx 10 years. Sport taught me the value of team-work and dicipline. I matured over time and aged 39 I finally did a degree in community justice and law. The morale of my story? We are all a product of our past, we do become a social construct and we respond to the stimulus of life. Some are more fortunate than others but many retain a strong moral code even when the chips are down.

However, Others (usually criminals) often look for a short cut to being wealthy or comfortable, they do become predatory and they don't care about society. Lack of opportunity often stimulates criminality, but I agree we should not criminalise our children....

When is it due to arrive in Hornsea? If I want to catch a train I have to drive my horse and cart to Hull, Beverley, Bridlington or York. 

Its about time us northern folk got something from this government, although I suspect Osbourne is trying to win my vote....sorry to say it's not working because I think he really is a smug looking, super rich muppet who has no idea what it's like to be on the bones of your arse.

Just my opinion....no offence.....

The actual crime is called "gaining pecunery advantage through deception" and if found guilty it carries up to 10 years in custody. 

The most recent example I have seen was an accountant who made bogus wage slips so his friends could apply for loans which were never repaid. In total the gang took the banks for about 1.5 million. After expenses etc the accountant and friends made approx £150,000 each.

they got caught, had to repay the money and were sent to prison for 4 years....

wonga applied threats towards those most vulnerable in society and senior managers of that company should (in my humble view) go to prison for much longer...

I would be the first to agree that prison has a role to play in deterring low level crimes, however many courts reserve the custodial sentence for the more violent criminals. With only 84,000 beds we need to be careful who we lock up. 

I do like the idea of summary justice, public floggings for vandalism and the stocks for public order is a great and cheap alternative. My only reservation would be the introduction of the private sector ie G4S and others, they would flog the wrong person and still charge the government twice for thier failure....

As a nation we were masters in just about every dicipline you could ever imagine in days gone by. From our bowmen at The Battle of Agincourt to the Battle of Britain our technology and ability to invent ways of killing the enemy and overcome massive obstacles is the staff of legends. The art of torture being one of our better skills over the last 500 years, regrettably it is no longer used in main stream prisons, this would clearly breach human rights.....

is it still used against terrorists or spy's, the establishment are inevitably compelled to deny this type of behaviour. What the eyes don't see etc etc